Example Jack asking W Axx xx E W/non Axx xxx AKQx xx xxx AKQxxx
 13+ any shape [Pass] [1] main part 6+ bal. Or 12+ any 13+ bal. 17+ Delta. 16+ extreme [1] 1 6-11p. 5332 (then 2 of 3 Toph.) or 5422 or 6322 (no Toph. information in this stage) - if a closed 6322, 12 points are possible - positive relay [1] 3 6322 closed 9-12 points a side King ? (by the way: with 3 you can ask for a side Queen or King) 3} 3 no side King Jack ? (you can handle Jack asking for the other 3 suits including with the 4 bid) 5} 5 no J no other bids are possible, so it has to be to play 5 Pass

*asking for Ten's after Jack asking -although the chapter's name is 'Precision to extremes' - goes really to far,..............

okay, to serve you anyway

see following example:

 Example to figure out theTEN in the solid suit W AKQxx xx E E/non J AKQTxxx Axx xx Axxx xx origin board: example
 -- 2 8-12 any 7222, can be closed too relay [2] 3 any 7222 closed 9-12, no side Queen or King TEN included in your solid suit? {5} 6 yes* a 4/2 break in spades is okay 7 P *6 = no Ten, you may end in 6

 Is there a 9th trick for 3? W Axx xxx E E/EW Axxx xx AKJx QTxxxx Ax xxx origin board : Dutch Bridge news group
 13+ any shape Pass 1 0-5 any shape no Ace or any K+Q 6-11p. any 5332 and no 2 Tophon. of 3 5M4?22 or 4333/4432 (=bal. 1 opening) any 4333/4432, 19-22 points non forcing 1 2 5+c 0-5 points OR 6-11 the 2 answer of the bal. 1 opening Good support 2} 2 5+c 0-5 points with 1 Toph. of 3 6-9 5332 and no 2 Toph. of 3 second positive and stayman 3} 3 6+c 0-5 points with 1 Toph. of 3 6-9 5332 and no 2 Toph. of 3 after 3} the answer of 3 = 5card and the 0-5 points with 1 Toph. of 3 variant, 3= 4c , 3 = 4c

or :

 Difficult hand regarding the way of asking the values W KJ53 AQT72 E E/EW A8 52 KJ98 AQT7 AK6 52
 --- 1 8-12 any 4333, 4432 any 5332 and no 2 Tophon. of 3 5M4?22 relay [1] 3 54/ 22 and a maximum relay [3] 3 « 5242 » end signal 4 4 obliged bid Slam Asking Bid for the AKQ values in partner's 2 suits 4 5 2 Aces/Kings ànd 2 Queens 7 P

 W AKQ xxx E W/EW Qxxxxx KJ AK Qxxx xx xxxx origin board: BBO thread "suggest an auction"
 13+ any shape Pass 1 0-5 any shape (no Ace ò King + any Queen) 6-11 any 4333, 4432, or any 5332 and no 2 Tophon/3, 5M4?22 13+ any 5+ carder OR 23+ 4333/4432 [1] 1 6-9 4333/4432 or 5m332 no 2 Toph./3 relay [2] 2 a minimum/minimum 6-7 (if 8 then bad) if 7: no Ace+any King bid 2 and you will hear 2} 2 obliged bid 17-18/19 6c but poor- suit, non forcing 3 4 fine help, so with f.e. xxx,xx,Qxxx,KJxx you can Pass after 2 the possibilities are: 2= game forcing relay 2= --> Partner bid 2 and then: Pass, 3 or 3 = stopper askings, 3M = 17-18/19 with bad Major 6-carder 2= --> Partner bid 3 and then: Pass, 3x = non forcing 6-carder 15-16/17 3x = 6-carder and : Partner start control bidding

 even with a Yarborough it is worthwhile to open....... W 86 AK73 E W/non 54 AK9 9732 AK 86432 AJT5
 0-7 points (no any Ace and King) 1 [1] 13+ any shape and no 13-22p. with a 4333/4432 0-5 points no Ace òr any King and Queen 1 [1] 20+ relay 0-3 points no singleton/void and no King 2 [2] 24+ relay and forcing to game is the main suit 5332, 5422 or 6322 shape òr a 7222 en then no -Queen OR any 7222 withOutside Queen OR 7222 with Qx 2 [3] relay 5422 3 [3] relay for exact distribution 2-2-4-5 3 6 you can reach dummy with a ruff to handle the trumpf suit and if needed secondly with a ruff Pass

 example of the advantage of having more information than pure exact distribution below game level W AKxx xx E W/non AJxx xx KQ Jxxxxxx AKx Qx
 13+ any shape [Pass] 1 0-5any shape No Ace òr a King+ any Queen OR 6-11 part balanced relay (if 4333/4432 then 23+p.) [1] 1 the 0-5 variant ++ relay [1] 2 0-3 points (no King) and balanced 4333 up to 7222 +++relay [2] 2 5332, 5422 or 6322 OR 7222 and then no Q or QJ OR Qx and any 7222 relay [3] 4 « 2272 » and in the Queen Scan Jack(s) including 4} 4 J no J (Jx does not count in the pointrange) 6 Pass With AKxx, AQx, KQx, AKx, the system leads you to an easely 6

 W AQxx Kx E W/non Qxx Kx KQxxx AJ x AKJT9xx origin board: RGB usenet group
 13+ any shape Pass [1] 6+ part bal. or 12+ any 13-16 s/v , L= no 5/5 (stiff King does not count in an aceless hand only) 2 [2] relay 4c, if a 64 then a minimum 3 [3] relay a « 4351 » and a minimum 13-14 p. 3 4} Slam Asking Bid and defines as trump if lateron an other suit or on the 6/7 level= to play if it is an impossible bid only 1 Ace of 5 and no Queen 4 Pass I'm not happy with a spade lead in 6 (knowing 1 Ace only partner must have KQ + other Q, for which I can investigate in case of AQJx QJT, Kxxxx,x) in that 13-14 p. range other answers are possible of course and all will lead to the best contract 1 Ace of 5 and Queen 5 6 Pass or (5= 0 or 3 if 3 then no Queen will not be possible regarding the hand of east) with Axxx, Axx, KQxxx, x 2 Aces of 5 and no Queen 5 5} Suit Asking Bid nothing or KQ 5 6 It can be AQJx, AQx, xxxxx, x although RR serves mostly, but sometimes he must help partner. Why 5? not with a s/v or stiff Ace 6= yes KQ + info next suit = nothing or KQ 6} 7 Pass or after 2 Aces of 5 and no Queen 5 5} Suit Asking Bid Queen or AK 6 6 f.e. Axx, AQJ, Vxxxx, x Pass or after 2 Aces of 5 and no Queen 5 5} Suit Asking Bid King or AQ 6 6 Pass or 2 Aces of 5 and Queen 5 7 The 13th will be a Queen or K Pass or finally 5 = 3 Aces of 5 + Q but in this case not possible

not convinced? see 3 Grands pdf

- back to introduction -

- up -

 with an interference, all = SYSTEM ON (as far as possible) South:bids 2 W T42 AJ E W/Non AQ95 KJ2 763 AKJ9542 KT5 7 origin board: BBO
 8-12 4333/4432 or any 5332 without 2 Toph. of 3 or 5M422 [1] [1] South:bids 2 13+ any 8-10 4333/4432 8-10 5m332 P* [X] 15+ 4333 9-10p. - if 9 then good quality 2 [3] distribution relay: game or more (2 is still to play!) « 3433 » 3 4} Slam asking bid (Slab not possible because 2=real) 1 Ace of 5 no Q 4 4} Suit asking bid K or AQ 5 5} Suit asking bid (if you know your opponent**) K or AQ 6 6 Pass *system on that means the "lost" bid 1 ** otherwise bid 6 and bid comfortably 6 after a Lightner double by finessing North's Qxx ;-)

and a variant:

 with an interference, all = SYSTEM ON (as far as possible) North:bids 2 W T42 AJ E W/Non AQ95 KJ2 763 AKJ9542 KT5 7 origin board: BBO
 8-12 4333/4432 or any 5332 without 2 Toph. of 3 or 5M422 [1] [Pass] North:bids 2 13+ any or 0-12 4333/4432, no penalty 8-12 4333/4432 (if 11-12 then bad quaity) 8-10 5m332 or 5332, 5422 11-12 5332 X* [2] 15+ 4333/4432 2 [2] relay: game or more « 3433 » (or acc. the alternative 4333/4432 scheme bid 3) 3 4} Slam asking bid (Slab not possible because 2=real) 1 Ace of 5 no Q 4 5} Suit asking bid (if Q only will they find the lead in 6? if you don't want to take that risk then pass the 5 answer) K or AQ 5 6} Suit asking bid (if Q you pass the 6 bid) K or AQ 6 6 Pass *system on that means the "lost" bids 1 and 2

 with an interference, all = SYSTEM ON (as far as possible) North: T93, J872, 876, 742 W A84 2 E W/NS AQ53 KT6 QJ2 AK9543 AQ3 K85 South: bids 1 withKQJ765, 94, T, JT96 origin board: Ruitenboer 27-1-2004
 13+ any shape [Pass] [1] part balanced or 12+ any (1) 13+ balanced OR Delta 1 opening 13-16p. all other bids are system on [Pass] [X] 12+ any shape or 1 balanced opening 6-11p (=) all other bids are system on 13-15p. balanced with 5+c or 6+c 16+ all 15-16 max Delta 1 opening [1] 2 system on= 12-15p. Delta s/v 4441 up to 7330 or 8+c and with top controls and you will reach easely 7 as if there were no interference; the auction should be : 13+ any shape [Pass] [1] part balanced or 12+ any 13+ bal. or else ++ [1] [1] 12+ any shape 18+ bal. or ++ else [1] 2 Delta s/v 4441 up to 7330 or 8+c 1-suiter + Top control relay [2] 3 L= relay [3] 3 1 suiter relay [4] 4 minimum (12-13p) 6331 or 7321 relay [4] 4 « 1363 » Slam asking bid 4} 5 2 of 5 Aces no Q Suit asking bid 5} 6 K or AQ Suit asking bid (if non in, then stiff K and you end in 6) 6} 7 K or AQ After 3 bid you do not need to know the exact distribution, the auction could proceed also with show your control (not in ) 3} 4 K or Ace and no stiff Ace or King in you can ask for more controls or exact distribution but with your own holding you nealry can bid 7 but you have to check if partner has not x,KJ,Axxxx,KJ 4} 5 2 of 5 Aces no Q if a 5431, Suit(s) has to run or an auto sqeeze (Jxx or Jxxx does not count) 7 P In case South bids 2 a maximum [X] 3 Lebensohl value and suits me 3} 3} stopper asking stopper 3} 4} control + control waiting 4} 4} control Ace asking 4} 5 2 of 5 Aces no Q Suit asking bid 5} 6 K or AQ Suit asking bid (if non in, then stiff K and you end in 6) normally 6= Suit asking for but not now because of interference 6} 7 K or AQ 7 P So the same sequence with 4 etc.

Normally The Relayer can ASK only for stopper(s) or a half-stopper within the whole system. In a 5m332 sequence I have worked out an very extended scheme in case RR gives information (without R is asking for) regarding his stopper(s) including the possibility to have at the same time information about the distribution or to be able to find f.e. a Mosian Fit.
As an example only, because it loads your memory hughly, and to show you that there are further possibilities within the system to explore/adjust if you prefer that more then the given "standard" ones. (see this example)

back to introduction

 it takes 16 auction rounds only....... W A KQ E W/non Axxx KQx Axxxx KQJ AKQ xxxxx
 13+ any shape or 12+ extreme [Pass] [1] 6+ bal. (except 6-11 4333,4432, any 5332 poor suit, 5M422) 12+ singleton/void Deltascheme (4441 up to 7330) 11+ singleton/void Extreme scheme balanced 13+ singleton/void Delta scheme 17+ singleton/void Extreme scheme 16+ [1] [1] 12+ balanced all (4333 up to 7222) 12+ singleton/void Delta scheme 15+ singleton/void Extreme scheme balanced 18+ singleton/void Delta scheme 17+ singleton/void Extreme scheme 20+ [1] [1] 14+ balanced all (4333 up to 7222) 16+ singleton/void Delta scheme (or 12-15 Delta and no Aces) 15+ singleton/void Extreme scheme (a part) balanced 18+ singleton/void Delta scheme 21+ singleton/void Extreme scheme 24-26 [2] [2] 14-15 | 16-17 or (5332, 5422, 6322) 18+ balanced all 4333 up to 7222 16+ singleton/void Delta scheme 15+ singleton/void Extreme scheme (a part) auto relay [2] 2 14-15 | 16-17 (5332, 5422, 6322) relay [2] 3 5332 or 5422 relay [3] 3 5332 or 5422 final distribution relay + min or max? [3] 3 « 2335 » and a minimum (=14-15 points, for a stiff KQ deduct 1 HCP) Slab (Slam Asking bid and = trumpf) 4} 4 0 or 3 Aces of 5, if 3 then no Q Sab (Suit Asking bid ) 4} 4 nothing or KQ in Sab (Suit Asking bid ) 4} 5 nothing or KQ in Sab (Suit Asking bid ) 5} 5 nothing or KQ in Jacks? (in same order with spiral scan) 5} 5 no J Jack? 6} 6 no J Jack? 6} 7 J 7 Pass see thread in rgb too

- back to introduction -

- up -

 Jack Juggle W A6 73 E W/non K4 A92 KQ32 AJ854 AKQ32 J75 VIVA 16th april 2004
 13+ any shape [Pass] 1 0-5 points no Ace òr any King and Queen OR 6-11 4333/4432, 5332 no 2 Toph. or 5M4?22 13+ any 5c+ OR 23+ with a 4333/4432 [1] 1 6-9 4333/4432, 5m332 no 2 Toph (Jack does not count) positive relay [2] 3* good 8 or a normal 9 and a 5332 if 7 then A + any King with 3 you can ask for exact distribution but in this case not so important, 3 = Control points? 3} 4 4CP = step 4 but because of a max zoom ---> 4= +Aces, Queens are not possible, next zoom ---> Jacks;+ Jacks are possible because AJ twice is a 9 -pointer 4=+ Ace, Jack no Jack (the order is ) Scan 5} 5 Jack 7 *or you can play the more sophisticated answers positive relay [2] 3 good 8 or a normal 9 and a 5332 if 7 then A + any King + 1 Major stopper (not both) bid 3 if a stopper if not give your final distribution 3} 3 stopper final distribution relay [4] 4 « 2353» SLam Asking Bid 4} 5 2 Aces of 5 no Q (any A + K + Q = 9pointer!) Scan Jacks 6} 6 J, no J Scan further 6} 7 J no J 7 In this case this answer scheme (although in case of game only much better) allows you to investigate for J too. I will explain the sequence after the 5 bid: Because there can be a side-Queen now, or Relayer has the choise to do a Trump Suit asking (East must realize this too) and West is interested only in J (7 is cold already) take the highest SAB= bid = 6}. East knows at the same time that you are not interested in the trump quality, otherwise you had bid 5 , a direct Jack-asking bid after 5 with 6 is not possible because a 6-bid above the agreed trump suit = to play. So East knows that the Relayer is aware of his real 2 Aces. Conclusion: this 6-bid can not be a SAB. If this leads too far for you , no problem: Suit Asking Bid 6} 6 no Q (KQ is not possible) Scan Jacks excluding (it can not be real) 6} 6 no J Scan further (just in time!) 7} 7 J no J 7

- back to introduction -

- up -

 Jack Juggle 2 W AKQ4 T9632 E W/non J8 A9 AK QJ8752 KJ932 - BBO forum
 13+ any shape [Pass] 3 5-8 points 6+/5+ vv relay, asking for void or 1-1 [4] 4 void SLam Asking Bid (4 = distribution relay, 4 = to play; I don't like your void) 4} 5 1 Ace of 5 , no Q Suit Asking Bid 5} 5 Q or AK Scan Jacks, but without J (6 =Sab, 6 = Scan Jacks incl. J) 6} 6 Jack, no J 7 Pass

 an 1 opening does not hurt a strong partner... W AKJ4 T98642 E E/EW KQ94 AT765 AKT8 32 8 origin board: Bermuda Bowl, Beijing 1995
 - [1] 0-6p. extreme shapes 0-7p. the rest any 5c or 4441 13+ 4333/4432 23+ [1] [1] 6-7 any s/v 4441 up to 7330 0r 8+ 1 suiter 4-6 extreme shapes positive hand and a relay [2] [2] the 4-6 Extreme shapes still interested, relay [2] 3 4-5p. 7/8/9c + 4c? 5-6p. 4c + 7/8/9c? 4-6p. 6+/5+c / or vv positive relay [3] 3 4-5p 6+/5+c / or vv note: 4-5p. = Ace or 2Q or KQ in doubleton relay (distribution but start with side suits specially void) [4] 4 void relay (distribution if >---> zoom [4] 5 « 6520» and a Real Ace why not mention the suit on the 7 level ;-) 7 Pass with a less or far more less strong West hand there were en route enough possibilities to break the relay and bid naturally

- back to 1 opening -

- up -